00:00 So, I have a guest today, it's Mark Johns, 00:05 00:05 and, he's going to talk to us about 00:10 00:11 gaming. I was impressed, I was visited at 00:15 00:15 Christmas by relatives in Chicago and the 00:18 00:18 two young people were working with 00:22 00:22 Lego and that's virtual reality, and 00:27 00:27 things like that, so Mark, tell us a 00:31 00:31 little bit about 00:33 00:33 gaming. It was often referred to 00:37 00:37 as Gaming Theory. I don't know what the 00:38 00:38 gaming theory is, probably got- 00:41 00:41 Game Theory is, they made a movie 00:43 00:43 about the guy who was the best 00:45 00:45 at that in the 50s, Nash. He was 00:48 00:48 schizophrenic, BTW. The movie was kind of 00:50 00:50 dumb, but at least it was a step 00:53 00:53 right? Game theory is sort of 00:56 00:56 about, it's like economics, right? 01:01 01:01 There's X number of resources and X 01:03 01:03 number of players in a closed system, and 01:06 01:06 how does each player benefit 01:09 01:09 the most? What decisions do you make? That's 01:11 01:11 Game Theory, and if you have a closed 01:14 01:14 limited system like say the game of 01:16 01:16 chess, it's very easy to build a simulation 01:20 01:20 of the entire Game Universe - the entire 01:23 01:23 game universe, and then simulate over and 01:27 01:27 over and over again by Brute Force just 01:30 01:30 what decision is the best. That's 01:31 01:31 how Deep Blue worked. That's How Gary 01:33 01:33 Kasparov was defeated in 1997 by a 01:37 01:37 giant array of IBM machines. Yeah. That's 01:40 01:40 what we've been doing building video 01:42 01:42 games, and that's what we've 01:46 01:46 been doing with computer science with 01:48 01:48 limited domain 01:50 01:50 simulations, to make decisions 01:53 01:53 about things in limited 01:56 01:56 domains. That's you how Siri works, right? 01:59 01:59 I don't need type. 02:01 02:01 Siri is the only [ __ ] that I like. 02:03 02:03 Excuse me. 02:04 02:04 So okay, but yeah. Yes. 02:10 02:10 Game Theory. Sure, yes. Okay, 02:14 02:14 we've had some people on campus that 02:17 02:17 have started to work with this. We've 02:19 02:19 had uh Moog synthesizers and things like 02:23 02:23 that - Yes they're selling them again and 02:25 02:25 everything old is new again, right? 02:28 02:28 And Daft Punk used Moogs in 02:31 02:31 their 2013 album, and that sort of 02:34 02:34 ignited the Trend Watchers and Trend 02:38 02:38 Followers and, you know, everybody 02:41 02:41 follows those, and now Moog is back 02:44 02:44 because there is demand for it, but 02:46 02:46 yeah, the original Moog synthesizers 02:49 02:49 were - he has passed on, I think - Yes, there 02:53 02:53 were other names there Maruda, and uh 02:57 02:57 yeah let's see, what was it uh Moroder, 03:00 03:00 yes in Germany Daft Punk made that great 03:04 03:04 little track featuring the interviews 03:07 03:07 with him in their 2013 album, 03:13 03:13 about his start, using a click track 03:16 03:16 He had the insight to put a click track 03:17 03:17 to the Moog, and the Moog 03:20 03:20 synthesizer, and started putting things in 03:22 03:22 4-4 time, so the Moog synthesizer was the 03:27 03:27 first, well there were opportunities before 03:31 03:31 that, but it was where you could take - 03:34 03:34 Digitize, you could sort 03:37 03:37 of - It's sort of a mix. It's really a 03:39 03:39 nexus point between analog and digital: 03:42 03:42 that synthesizer, it's interesting. 03:43 03:43 So you can have analog things pipe in 03:47 03:47 through quarter-inch cables and then 03:48 03:48 control this digital machine, so it's at 03:51 03:51 the Nexus- you could alter it, you could 03:55 03:55 extend it, you could scratch it, you could 03:58 03:58 do a lot of things with it, and 04:00 04:00 you could transmit it to a computer- Yes. 04:03 04:03 And you can do all that now, it's really 04:06 04:06 with Technologies now as well. So a 04:09 04:09 lot of the 04:10 04:10 the keyboards that you see now have the 04:14 04:14 elements of Moog- Sure well there's like, 04:17 04:17 you know, you can hook your Moog up to a 04:19 04:19 MIDI controller: you can pretty much hook 04:20 04:20 anything up to a midi controller. If you 04:22 04:22 go to a stage show, if you 04:26 04:26 go to your, um, uh let's see, a 04:30 04:30 Lil Wayne concert, your 2 Chainz show, 04:33 04:33 and you're seeing the lights 04:35 04:35 at the Assembly Hall, that's being 04:37 04:37 controlled by some dude who's like 04:39 04:39 hitting a button, or it may be controlled 04:41 04:41 by a click track that's playing along 04:43 04:43 to the beat that, 04:46 04:46 that 2 Chainz is Srapping to live and 04:48 04:48 that controls the lights, and then 04:50 04:50 you can do even more things with 04:52 04:52 that and sync MIDI to music and uh 04:56 04:56 interaction with the players, and maybe 04:58 04:58 interaction with players' smartphones.. 05:01 05:01 there's all kinds of things that you 05:02 05:02 could do by hooking things up 05:06 05:06 together and getting that 05:08 05:08 heartbeat going. Yes, picking up 05:11 05:11 on different frequencies, thinking about 05:12 05:12 being in a theater, a place where 05:16 05:16 dancers were dancing, and they were 05:19 05:19 wearing devices where the dancers could 05:21 05:21 report 05:22 05:22 into a Moog-like synthesizer and that 05:26 05:26 would change the music that would- 05:30 05:30 The guy who invented the theremin, he's a 05:32 05:32 Russian guy who was living in New York 05:34 05:34 and he had ballet dancers in New 05:36 05:36 York so the theremin is, you know, it just 05:39 05:39 picks up on um the disturbances in the 05:42 05:42 magnetic fields around it, and so you 05:45 05:45 can use your hand or any part of your 05:48 05:48 body to modulate the the pitch 05:51 05:51 frequency and the volume, and 05:55 05:55 you can hook that up to MIDI too, but 05:57 05:57 he had dancers- it's very tough to 05:59 05:59 control, because it's like pure analog 06:01 06:01 but it's outputting a sort of a pure 06:03 06:03 sine wave, right? And then changing the 06:06 06:06 frequency in the pitch, the frequency in 06:07 06:07 the- anyway, and he had dancers, ballet 06:10 06:10 dancers in New York City, and that was in 1918 06:12 06:12 so this is not new stuff, and you can do 06:15 06:15 all this stuff in your Final Cut Pros 06:18 06:18 with your Massive VST, and you know and 06:21 06:21 then hook it up to MIDI and do 06:22 06:22 interesting stuff. Punk rock. If I 06:26 06:26 remember well, there's still- I, I 06:29 06:29 grew up in this town, right Dave? An I 06:30 06:30 remember, you know off Green Street all 06:32 06:32 these old houses- we'd go down to the 06:34 06:34 basement and there'd be a mud floor, 06:38 06:38 punk bands would be touring through the 06:39 06:39 country stopping through in Urbana 06:41 06:41 or Champaign and, you know, it'd be 06:44 06:44 There's still punk going on: crazy 06:46 06:46 sweaty basement House Parties: Schlitz, 06:49 06:49 Hamms, High Life, PBR in cans, 06:53 06:53 people moshing, sweaty blah blah blah and 06:55 06:55 that was only like 10 years ago, eight 06:57 06:57 years ago, so you still have something 06:59 06:59 these people 07:00 07:00 Morgan Powell I think has been involved in 07:03 07:03 this sort of thing so Morgan Powell is 07:05 07:05 great yeah and uh there are people like 07:07 07:07 Andy Warhol- Andy Warhol is a hero. He 07:12 07:12 Andy Warhol died before his time from a 07:15 07:15 gallbladder surgery in the 80s. 07:18 07:18 They had to like actually cut open your 07:19 07:19 whole stomach and, luckily, I had to get 07:22 07:22 my gallbladder out as well but they did it 07:24 07:25 laparoscopically, and so I'm okay. So 07:27 07:27 hopefully I can live longer 07:29 07:29 than Warhol, and I can build something 07:31 07:31 bigger than just The Factory, but 07:34 07:34 yeah, Andy Warhol is totally a hero and 07:36 07:36 Kubrick as well. Yes, and 2001 has 07:40 07:40 been an inspiration for- we did some 07:43 07:43 work for Daft Punk and Justice as Doomlaser, 07:46 07:46 my company in 2008, 2009 for the 07:51 07:51 Tap Tap Revenge series on the iPhone 07:55 07:55 and the Stargate Sequence at the end 07:57 07:57 of 2001 was a huge inspiration for the= 08:00 08:00 I did a lot of work to make it 08:04 08:04 possible for us to make the Final 08:06 08:06 Boss Track of Tap Tap Dance have the 08:10 08:10 Phantom Part Two by Justice, you know 08:12 08:12 this French Duo. Sort of the smokers' 08:16 08:16 sequel to Daft Punk, and we did sort 08:19 08:19 of a Stargate sequence inspired MIDI 08:22 08:22 controlled- Well, so Rockefeller is 08:24 08:24 interesting right? Because Rockefeller- 08:26 08:26 John D -built this company 08:30 08:30 starting small into this big thing, and 08:32 08:32 he still has a foundation. You know if 08:34 08:34 you listen to public radio you'll often 08:37 08:37 see, hear the Rockefeller name, and he 08:39 08:39 built a big Dynasty and I respect that 08:43 08:43 The problem is that pure 08:47 08:47 capitalism has its issues, especially 08:49 08:49 now as you hinted at, now that we have 08:53 08:53 more and more automated systems, there's 08:55 08:55 less and less value to human labor 08:58 08:58 and so there is a concern that the 1% 09:03 09:03 can take over and leave people on the 09:06 09:06 street- So that's why we had- I was 09:08 09:08 concerned about that, but I'm not as 09:10 09:10 concerned about that- I was really 09:11 09:11 concerned about it 5 years ago. I'm less 09:13 09:13 concerned about it now. I think people 09:14 09:14 will be able to figure it out, based on 09:17 09:17 the discussions that people have been 09:19 09:19 having on the internet and the things 09:21 09:21 that have been uploaded 09:25 09:25 and recorded that both humans and 09:28 09:28 these digital machines can analyze 09:30 09:30 and figure out that there's things to 09:32 09:32 protect here. It's very important that 09:34 09:34 we fix what's going on right now 09:37 09:37 socially, in society, with our economy 09:40 09:40 and the way we treat the homeless 09:43 09:43 and old people, and people that aren't 09:48 09:48 easily categorized by the system that 09:50 09:50 we're in. So we have some pretty big 09:53 09:53 pieces of equipment around town. We 09:56 09:56 have the blue goose or whatever it's 09:59 09:59 called over there Saint Mary's road, which is a 10:02 10:02 huge huge computer that can - oh yeah - do 10:05 10:05 things that humans cannot do, but they're 10:09 10:09 repetitive and it still needs humans 10:13 10:13 in there. Well, it's really simple. 10:14 10:14 Artificial Intelligence is really simple. 10:16 10:16 All you do is you build a 10:18 10:18 simulation, right? Of the entire 10:22 10:22 every input coming in, you use a high 10:25 10:25 level algebra to be able to make 10:28 10:28 sense of 10:30 10:30 whatever abstract inputs you have 10:32 10:32 going in, then you run that simulation 10:34 10:34 the same way Deep Blue works, except 10:36 10:36 instead of a closed system, it's an open 10:38 10:38 system, right? And then that's the vessel 10:41 10:41 for Consciousness, and I'm not 10:43 10:43 sure if it's already been made, but it 10:46 10:46 you know it's getting there, 10:48 10:48 And you need people to train these 10:50 10:50 intelligent machines to have respect 10:53 10:53 and just like you train kids through 10:56 10:56 public education, and uh, you know, yeah. 11:00 11:00 So we we now have c2b, which is 11:06 11:06 fiber optics around town and yeah 11:11 11:11 that will probably give us the 11:13 11:13 opportunity to do more things that are 11:17 11:17 related to people and defining who they 11:21 11:21 are and what they might be able to do 11:23 11:23 but that requires training and so it 11:27 11:27 leaves a large population 11:30 11:30 without jobs and- Well, the whole system 11:34 11:34 is going to leave everyone 11:35 11:35 without jobs. If you're born 11:37 11:37 now, right? As a computer 11:40 11:40 scientist, right, as I went to 11:42 11:42 Eastern Illinois University and then 11:45 11:45 University of Illinois and interned one 11:47 11:47 floor below Steve Jobs in Cupertino 11:50 11:50 California, right, making iPod video games 11:52 11:52 I've seen how things work, and then made 11:54 11:54 the most popular iPhone app when the 11:56 11:56 App Store launched, Tap Tap Revenge and 11:58 11:58 stuff, I see how technology works, and I 12:00 12:00 can sort of make guesses about the 12:02 12:02 future, right, and stuff that- 12:06 12:06 The number one job sector right now in the 12:08 12:08 United States is Transportation. We 12:11 12:11 all know there's self-driving cars. 12:15 12:15 That jpb sector is gone. Basically 12:17 12:17 every job sector that we have now is 12:20 12:20 going to be eaten by automation, and 12:23 12:23 that will increase ever more so once 12:26 12:26 we have abstract artificial intelligence 12:28 12:28 that can be simulated as you say like 12:30 12:30 out on St Mary's Road road with these 12:33 12:33 massively parallelized Computing 12:35 12:35 systems so unless we do 12:38 12:38 something to just tweak the way 12:42 12:42 our society works and I'm not saying 12:43 12:43 capitalism isn't the right way to go you 12:45 12:45 just need to improve the Baseline for 12:47 12:47 the people at the bottom. If you look at 12:48 12:48 the power law 12:50 12:50 the way any product, 12:55 12:55 comment um any product that's sold in 12:58 12:58 a network to 13:00 13:00 uh is distributed according to the power 13:02 13:02 law so you'll have-it's an 13:05 13:05 exponential curve now like 13:07 13:07 everyone knows the bell curve right you 13:08 13:08 know the power law is the other one the 13:10 13:10 exponential curve so everyone gets the 13:12 13:12 stuff at-the few people get, have all 13:16 13:16 the winnings right and then you 13:18 13:18 know a few more do sort of okay and then 13:21 13:21 most of the people don't really make 13:23 13:23 much at all and as we're in a globalized 13:26 13:26 economy everyone's buying whatever on 13:28 13:28 Amazon.com you're buying from Steam 13:30 13:30 you're buying from Xbox and you're 13:33 13:33 ordering your groceries online, 13:35 13:35 you're streaming your music online. That 13:37 13:37 distribution is becoming stronger and 13:39 13:39 stronger but that's how like Reddit posts 13:42 13:42 are you know Everything. Reddit 13:45 13:45 posts, blog popularity and Google index 13:49 13:49 rankings and stuff. They all follow 13:51 13:51 this power law distribution basically, 13:55 13:55 so what that means is sure we live in a 13:59 13:59 land of equal opportunity so everyone sort 14:01 14:01 of has the opportunity to get to 14:06 14:06 the top of this power law but by 14:08 14:08 definition 80% 90% are going to not yeah 14:13 14:13 and so if you're okay with saying yeah 14:15 14:15 you know anyone can make it it's equal 14:17 14:17 opportunity but that opportunity is sort 14:20 14:20 of a 14:20 14:20 lottery you know you need to make sure 14:23 14:23 the Baseline is okay and I think the 14:24 14:24 best way to do it is to extend 14:26 14:26 Social Security for everyone making 14:30 14:30 under a certain income, and 14:34 14:34 close down the prisons- there's super 14:36 14:36 max prisons down at the bottom of the 14:38 14:38 state of Illinois people whine about 14:40 14:40 pigs being birthed in weird ways on 14:44 14:44 your Facebook post you 14:46 14:46 know their being confined when they're 14:48 14:48 being born and whatever but we 14:50 14:50 actually put humans that are not 14:53 14:53 easily categorizable in these little 14:56 14:56 boxes that it costs a lot of money 14:59 14:59 far away from population and they're 15:02 15:02 just left in a room and 15:05 15:05 they're fed through a food slot. They 15:08 15:08 go crazy down there let's get rid of 15:10 15:10 that that's not only is that cruel and 15:12 15:12 it's crueler than eating animals 15:16 15:16 or eating cute animals right it's it 15:20 15:20 costs money and let's dial that 15:23 15:23 money priority down dial up some 15:26 15:26 priorities for humans and get 15:30 15:30 things on track for the planet and 15:34 15:34 uniting us so that we don't have 15:37 15:37 problems and we can keep the 15:39 15:39 technological systems going and start 15:41 15:41 traveling to the stars and whatnot. 15:43 15:43 One of the things that has been 15:45 15:45 affecting this is the size of things so 15:48 15:48 we have at on Wright Street, a 15:51 15:51 nanotechnology building which is just 15:53 15:53 gone up and that's allowed computers 15:58 15:58 to be small 15:60 15:60 and so exciting yeah and then carbon 16:02 16:02 nanotubes coming up too yeah well I can 16:05 16:05 remember the day when if you ran PLATO, you 16:08 16:08 wanted a visual you had to bring in a um 16:12 16:12 a carousel you had to punch a button for 16:15 16:15 a carousel slide to come up and and the 16:18 16:18 te the volume of the tubes used were 16:22 16:22 huge now you can get that on the on the 16:25 16:25 end of your finger and and so 16:28 16:28 nanotechnology is changing the world 16:31 16:31 also it's exciting but there is a there 16:33 16:33 is a limit there's a fundamental limit 16:36 16:36 and that's something that um people who 16:38 16:38 are building simulations need to 16:40 16:40 understand that's something that the 16:41 16:41 computers will need to understand that 16:44 16:44 there is a limit to the amount of you 16:47 16:47 know information that you can physically 16:50 16:50 put in space uh it's look it up on 16:54 16:54 Wikipedia. It's like, I keep wanting to say 16:56 16:56 Bresenham's constant or whatever, but Bresenham 16:58 16:58 does like that pixel 16:60 16:60 line algorithm but, there's there is 17:01 17:01 there is a limit, so basically blah 17:04 17:04 blah blah what that means is if you want 17:07 17:07 to simulate something fully, right? So 17:12 17:12 if you really want to simulate How the 17:13 17:13 Universe Works how the planet Earth 17:15 17:15 Works, you can't do it without 17:19 17:19 technology at least the size of the 17:22 17:22 planet Earth. But even then, you're not 17:24 17:24 thinking universally, because the planet 17:26 17:26 Earth is part of a much larger system 17:28 17:28 and, you know, the universe, and so to 17:31 17:31 simulate something as complex and 17:34 17:34 refined and all the blood and particles 17:37 17:37 that are going on in- and the skin Flakes and 17:39 17:39 stuff, you know, and all the weird 17:42 17:42 cosmological synchronicity that's going 17:44 17:44 on, uh you need to have something at 17:47 17:47 least the size of the universe, so what 17:50 17:50 the computers are seeing now, what the 17:52 17:52 people are simulating now, is much more 17:57 17:57 digitized, like there's.. it's a 17:60 17:60 pixelated version, and it will always be 18:03 18:03 pixelated, and we need to make sure 18:05 18:05 that the value that we have on the 18:07 18:07 planet Earth now is not completely lost. 18:10 18:10 We've lost 40 50% of the biomass on 18:14 18:14 Earth since the 19- the early '70s. We 18:16 18:16 need to make sure that we don't lose too 18:18 18:18 much more because otherwise 18:21 18:21 we'll regret it later when all we have 18:24 18:24 is pixelized stuff on the surface, and 18:28 18:28 it'll Beck lose creatures at 18:31 18:31 we'll lose the variety. Variety is the 18:33 18:33 spice of life, Dave, and you'll lose some 18:36 18:36 of the Dynamics because these creatures 18:38 18:38 interact and they change- Yes, they 18:41 18:41 provide much value. Cinnamon and cocoa: put 18:44 18:44 it in your coffee, and a little honey. 18:47 18:47 That cocoa is.. you'll read in 18:49 18:49 the news uh, it's going to 18:53 18:53 become much more expensive because of 18:56 18:56 what they what they call Global 18:58 18:58 Warming. At least that's what they say 18:59 18:59 now, you know. It's hard to.. on't 19:01 19:01 pay attention to the ripples while we're 19:03 19:03 talking about this we also have to know 19:05 19:05 that the we folk little folk uh do get 19:08 19:08 the chance to use the the computer at a 19:11 19:11 a a a different level yeah you were 19:13 19:13 talking about C2 B2 yes yeah so I mean 19:17 19:17 I'm a little upset with the way 19:19 19:19 the Verizon and Comcast business 19:22 19:22 models work because a lot of the 19:24 19:24 infrastructure Broadband infrastructure 19:26 19:26 that they use and they make a profit on 19:28 19:28 was paid for for by our tax dollars and 19:30 19:30 while we have so almost a choice whether 19:34 19:34 to buy Verizon or Comcast depending on 19:37 19:37 where you are we do not have a choice 19:39 19:39 whether to pay our federal taxes 19:42 19:42 or not, so if our tax dollars are 19:45 19:45 going to provide this Broadband we 19:48 19:48 shouldn't allow these big companies 19:51 19:51 to take advantage of us with poor 19:53 19:53 service and c2p2 is a a good 19:57 19:57 effort and just needs some Direction to 19:59 19:59 provide good service and I think 20:02 20:02 there's a way to have big 20:05 20:05 nonprofits doing things in an 20:09 20:09 interesting way and I figured out a 20:11 20:11 model for my business my LLC which is a 20:14 20:14 sole proprietorship now blah blah blah 20:16 20:16 but I start I founded it in 2008: 20:19 20:19 Doomlaser, to feed large nonprofits which 20:25 20:25 own other nonprofits and can we can 20:29 20:29 WEFT crawl onto U uc2 C2 B2 wait uc2b 20:37 20:37 jeez okay uc2b sure so uh AT&T could 20:43 20:43 crawl onto it uh Comcast can crawl onto 20:46 20:46 it can nonprofit agencies like WEFT- Yeah 20:51 20:51 anybody can yeah WEFT could do it yeah 20:53 20:53 you guys need to you need guys to get 20:55 20:55 get your act together a little bit uh 20:57 20:57 cuz WEFT is a treasure in this community 20:60 20:60 and the the potential for WEFT is 21:03 21:03 huge and it's been sort of neglected by 21:05 21:05 many um yeah well you have to get people 21:10 21:10 together and and it's not something that 21:12 21:12 happens simply it's a it's hard to run 21:17 21:17 non there's some people that are really 21:19 21:19 that thrive on those kinds of problems 21:21 21:21 and one of the problems with these the 21:23 21:23 society that we have now is it 21:26 21:26 stamps down people uh,what did Mort 21:29 21:29 uh Mort say? A young man ain't got nothing in the 21:32 21:32 world these 21:34 21:34 days right it's the same so so in 21:38 21:38 this there's the simulation of a brain 21:42 21:42 sure tell us a little bit about what you 21:45 21:45 experience with 21:46 21:46 brains. 21:50 21:50 It you you have a game theory but you 21:53 21:53 also have a Brain Theory and and Uh well 21:56 21:56 my plan in the past and it's still sort 21:58 21:58 of my plan was: Once I took Bio 101 22:02 22:02 like the semester before I went to Apple 22:05 22:05 uh interned at Apple uh I had already 22:08 22:08 had a lot of I had my data structures at 22:10 22:10 the U o I, I had to take a class where you 22:12 22:12 build a computer from like logic gates 22:15 22:15 and OR Gates then then you build a 22:17 22:17 Four Bit Adder by connecting them together 22:19 22:19 and then you make simple 22:22 22:22 umachine language with where we 22:25 22:25 have switches that are the ones and 22:27 22:27 zeros and then and then have it run it 22:30 22:30 and see what happens and then you you do 22:31 22:31 this assembly level Assembly Language 22:34 22:34 abstraction and then you do a C compiler 22:36 22:36 and C which is the first programming 22:38 22:38 language I learned and the 22:41 22:41 language I I shipped and sold my first 22:43 22:43 video game uh a Tetris clone for the Mac 22:46 22:46 called Descender, it's a fairly 22:50 22:50 high level language but it's also close 22:51 22:51 to the metal and then when I got to Bio 22:54 22:54 101 and we I started seeing how DNA and 22:57 22:57 RNA worked and I was like oh wow this is 23:00 23:00 just pretty much the same idea um as 23:05 23:05 as lowlevel Assembly Language and this 23:07 23:07 is all programming kind of things 23:10 23:10 and MAA yeah yeah and so on plan was 23:15 23:15 sure my plan was uh yeah and you have 23:17 23:17 two strands so you have redundancy 23:19 23:19 it's your one strand is a backup for the 23:22 23:22 other that's why you got a double helix 23:24 23:24 professor of redundancy and then the 23:27 23:27 telomeres at the end of DNA strands 23:29 23:29 are kind of like the little ends of a 23:30 23:30 VHS tape you know uh it's kind of funny 23:34 23:34 and- or a cassette tape and 23:36 23:36 it's really funny too back in the day in 23:38 23:38 the Commodore 64 BTW the SID chip in the 23:41 23:41 Commodore 64 used for chip tunes in 80s 23:44 23:44 computer games also picked up by 23:46 23:46 Timbaland and other artists and used in 23:49 23:49 hip-hop beats production um you would 23:52 23:52 load your programs and your video 23:55 23:55 games into the C 64 sort of like a 23:58 23:58 single strand of DNA with your 24:00 24:00 cassette tape in order to do this you 24:03 24:03 have to have researchers that are 24:05 24:05 looking brain plan my plan was to go 24:07 24:07 back and get a master's degree after I 24:09 24:09 got my company running in 24:11 24:11 bioinformatics and then an MD later in 24:15 24:15 my probably in my like late 30s is the 24:18 24:18 plan in Neuroscience, I ran 24:22 24:22 into a guy in Neuroscience the 24:24 24:24 other day and it's the capitalism, 24:27 24:27 pure capitalism is the problem that's 24:29 24:29 it's a little bit distorting things 24:32 24:32 because he's he was excited to work for 24:35 24:35 a pharmaceutical company right whereas 24:37 24:37 I'm excited to work on brain computer 24:41 24:41 interfaces for video games. So 24:46 24:46 okay and anyway yes you need 24:49 24:49 research it's going to happen that's 24:51 24:51 that's the way technology is going you 24:53 24:53 know like virtual reality is the first 24:57 24:57 step and we have 25:00 25:00 Oculus and there's a company out in 25:02 25:02 Florida and then Microsoft's getting 25:03 25:03 into it now really good motion 25:06 25:06 tracking for VR and then the next step 25:08 25:08 is hooking in right behind the optic 25:11 25:11 nerve internally in the brain and then 25:15 25:15 eventually we'll be really in these 25:16 25:16 pixelated- instead of looking at a screen 25:19 25:19 in front of your face like this Dave 25:22 25:22 you're going to 25:24 25:24 just Jack in and you'll even you won't 25:27 25:27 even press a button because you'll be 25:28 25:28 able to think your passcode to start the 25:32 25:32 uh, to start so yes the brain is very 25:35 25:35 flexible and very adaptable yes and it's 25:38 25:38 hard for uh onoff data to follow it 25:42 25:42 sometimes so there researchers have to 25:44 25:44 know there specific place where things 25:47 25:47 happen yeah but and so that's why you 25:49 25:49 need people young people interested in 25:52 25:52 doing this sort of stuff but not for 25:55 25:55 Pure profit it's an ideological problem 25:58 25:58 that we have the United States um we 26:00 26:00 need to we need to inspire people to uh 26:05 26:05 to do things for Humanity but also make 26:08 26:08 a profit so like I was saying make a 26:12 26:12 business model that's owned by a trust 26:15 26:15 have form an LLC right a limited 26:17 26:17 liability Corporation have 80% of that 26:20 26:20 LLC owned by a nonprofit trust so are 26:23 26:23 you teaching young children to be 26:27 26:27 involved to I I've been doing it 26:29 26:29 indirectly in the video games that I've 26:31 26:31 been making I've been expressing the way 26:33 26:33 I feel about the world indirectly for a 26:35 26:35 long time um because I was scared about 26:37 26:37 saying things uh out front and I still I 26:41 26:41 still not willing to say some of the 26:43 26:43 things that I've been through and some 26:45 26:45 of the ways that our current Society 26:48 26:48 punishes uh people who they think are 26:51 26:51 different you know um and it's it's 26:53 26:53 really it's really effed up right 26:55 26:55 because like you know I went to public 26:57 26:57 school and I have a high code of ethics 26:59 26:59 I'm not a violent person and you know 27:02 27:02 Abraham Lincoln is an inspiration and a 27:04 27:04 homie right it starts at a very young 27:06 27:06 age and you have 27:08 27:08 to if you're not very careful your life 27:10 27:10 is over before you got to do what you 27:12 27:12 want to do so some people start off with 27:16 27:16 their baby in the womb and and you play 27:19 27:19 Beethoven or whatever to them and they 27:22 27:22 come out with this in their mind and I 27:26 27:26 think anyone has the potential to on 27:28 27:28 untangle the cables of untangle the 27:32 27:32 Tangled cables of their lives and rise 27:35 27:35 up above them and I've seen I've seen so 27:38 27:38 many people that can do that and and I 27:41 27:41 admit that some people are born with 27:43 27:43 advantages where they never even see uh 27:46 27:46 that's one of the problems with uh 27:48 27:48 inheritance and not taxing inheritance 27:50 27:50 some people are born into easy stre and 27:53 27:53 don't even see how tough it can be for 27:56 27:56 others to to rise up out of out of this 27:59 27:59 the 28:00 28:00 systematized you know think of the poor 28:02 28:02 Native Americans you know that that got 28:06 28:06 really screwed over by happen stance and 28:08 28:08 and fate uh when people with guns and 28:12 28:12 alcohol and uh and small poox came in 28:16 28:16 and and and have have you know hered 28:19 28:19 them into things and broke break deals 28:22 28:22 from uh 28:25 28:25 U places where you young folk are 28:29 28:29 hospitalized and you can take those 28:31 28:31 young folk out and change their lives uh 28:34 28:34 by inputting uh and getting them to 28:37 28:37 think well it's not just young yes but 28:40 28:40 it's not just young folk Dave how old 28:42 28:42 are you Dave you don't like to say right 28:45 28:45 it's old folks too we put them into the 28:47 28:47 same boxes and lock them lock lock away 28:50 28:50 lock them away and and hide the fact 28:53 28:53 that you have to press a passcode to get 28:55 28:55 to get out of the out of the the the you 28:58 28:58 know assisted living facility right it's 29:01 29:01 a prison let's call it what it is and uh 29:04 29:04 it's a little box and and people aren't 29:08 29:08 made for little 29:09 29:09 boxes okay so tell me some of the 29:13 29:13 Expressions I I am aware that there's 29:15 29:15 valtion around the corner doing games 29:18 29:18 there's um I've been through there yeah 29:21 29:21 a few times and Nina Paley is doing 29:24 29:24 things with there's well I'm going to be 29:26 29:26 out at the game developers conference uh 29:28 29:28 uh later this week uh you know uh flying 29:30 29:30 to Oakland and it's in San 29:32 29:32 Francisco uh a couple my uh best friends 29:36 29:36 uh Jonathan soderstrom and uh Dennis 29:39 29:39 Weeden uh uh are coming out they have 29:42 29:42 this game coming out called Hotline 29:43 29:43 Miami 2 my car which I drove over here 29:46 29:46 and uh it's going to be in the game uh 29:49 29:49 uh my 77 Chevy Malibu green with a cream 29:51 29:51 vinyl top but I'll be out there uh among 29:55 29:55 uh the other people that are like me uh 29:57 29:57 that make weird little video games and 30:00 30:00 uh uh sometimes one of them catches on 30:03 30:03 like uh uh this guy who made this game 30:06 30:06 that's sort of like a virtual Lego 30:09 30:09 playground uh uh it's called Minecraft 30:12 30:12 and he sold it to microsof for $2 30:15 30:15 billion cash uh that they were holding 30:17 30:17 in Europe because they're based in 30:18 30:18 Sweden so yeah so so tell us a bit about 30:24 30:24 uh uh 30:29 30:29 virtual reality explain virtual virtual 30:34 30:34 well how would you like to me I'm not 30:37 30:37 sure I want to do that 30:39 30:39 Dave I'm making a 2001 joke uh so you 30:45 30:45 can have several players you can have 30:47 30:47 them doing things that's what Minecraft 30:50 30:50 is yeah you can have uh people like Don 30:53 30:53 barard with 30:55 30:55 holography you can you can do things and 30:58 30:58 you can imagine your way through and you 31:00 31:00 can compete with other people and so you 31:03 31:03 can V virtually create a whole Community 31:07 31:07 uh and uh we've been doing it for years 31:10 31:10 I I I had a mud uh people might remember 31:14 31:14 muds multi-user dungeons they they 31:16 31:16 started in the the 80s I got really into 31:18 31:18 them in the '90s on prair net which was 31:20 31:20 a local uh if you remember praying that 31:24 31:24 and I would tell net to uh the big one I 31:26 31:26 was Elite mud uh elit mud.com Port 4000 31:31 31:31 that inspired me to find this guy um uh 31:34 31:34 who had this thing called Stuff mud it 31:36 31:36 was all text only right this is in the 31:38 31:38 90s and then I found out oh these muds 31:40 31:40 are actually programs that run on Linux 31:42 31:42 or or any posix system and there the 31:46 31:46 both those muds were using the circle 31:48 31:48 mud open source code base so I 31:50 31:50 downloaded my own copy of that and built 31:52 31:52 a mud when I was like 13 or 14 and some 31:55 31:55 Russian students some Russian grad 31:57 31:57 students really liked it I called mine 31:58 31:58 Indigo mud and they put it on a box box 32:01 32:01 in their computer at Moscow State 32:03 32:03 University and uh I had indigo. ms. Ru 32:08 32:08 Port 1234 1997 and I knew back then that 32:12 32:12 is that all we needed to do was add 32:14 32:14 graphics to this and then add virtual 32:16 32:16 reality and it was going to be like 32:18 32:18 crack right and uh they you know they 32:21 32:21 did just a few years later there years 32:23 32:23 later we had EverQuest which uh people 32:26 32:26 refer to uh you know what was back when 32:28 32:28 I was in college they'd be like that's 32:30 32:30 ever crack was the joke and then World 32:32 32:32 of Warcraft and that's and then 32:34 32:34 Minecraft and that's how that's you know 32:37 32:37 and Starcraft that's just what people do 32:39 32:39 already Dave like that's it's not the 32:41 32:41 future that's the past and the present 32:43 32:43 uh for Young People for People above 32:45 32:45 below a certain age or people who follow 32:47 32:47 let's get back to the real world is the 32:50 32:50 real world Dave uh where we uh have 32:55 32:55 people and I put down a few things that 32:57 32:57 we might like to gain with uh first of 33:02 33:02 all we need teams we need coordination I 33:06 33:06 agree we need leadership we uh uh we 33:11 33:11 need leadership that is 33:14 33:14 mentori it's you get a mentor that I 33:17 33:17 like the mentor yeah relationship you 33:20 33:20 small groups you might have six people 33:23 33:23 sometimes you might have a loner that 33:25 33:25 does their own thing 33:28 33:28 uh 33:30 33:30 but you have calculated risks definitely 33:35 33:35 and all these things are things that you 33:36 33:36 can do in your practical day without a 33:39 33:39 computer if necessary yes and with a 33:41 33:41 computer don't make the computer the 33:42 33:42 enemy they are friends and and then you 33:45 33:45 need friendly people who will criticize 33:48 33:48 your work yes in a very valuable way yes 33:51 33:51 that's I mean that's all we have the the 33:55 33:55 the game the game some of the video game 33:58 33:58 developers that that I work with we have 33:60 33:60 a private internet Forum called the 34:01 34:01 popping cast where we can post and talk 34:05 34:05 about the stuff that we're making and 34:08 34:08 and whatever we're watching and seeing 34:09 34:09 the media or whatever topic that 34:11 34:11 interests us and we the only people that 34:14 34:14 can get in are people that we someone 34:17 34:17 who's been in there can spot somebody 34:20 34:20 make a post be like that person looks 34:22 34:22 interesting uh then we we we vote uh 34:27 34:27 whether that person gets in or not for 7 34:29 34:29 days and then if it's oh seems like it's 34:32 34:32 cool and people are I mean there's 34:34 34:34 actually detailed rules but I don't even 34:35 34:35 really remember them then we let them in 34:37 34:37 so I'm always looking for people on 34:39 34:39 Twitter and stuff in every country you 34:41 34:41 know or whatever uh that are making 34:44 34:44 interesting in games that I like and you 34:46 34:46 know young people especially so that you 34:48 34:48 can mentor them and get them hooked in 34:50 34:50 instantly with the people like Cactus 34:53 34:53 and Terry Kavanagh making hotl Miami and 34:56 34:56 JW doing Nuclear Throne and stuff and 34:59 34:59 okay we we we we Mentor them and make to 35:01 35:01 make uh make cool video games right and 35:04 35:04 then they can show them without having 35:06 35:06 to be public and I've got a team over 35:09 35:09 just over at John's pipe shop right over 35:12 35:12 there they're messaging me I'm I'm 35:13 35:13 building a game then I'm going to be 35:14 35:14 demoing out it at the the conference out 35:16 35:16 there in San Francisco uh right now 35:18 35:18 they're messaging me seeing if I'm going 35:20 35:20 to come in 35:22 35:22 so okay well Al Harris and Derek glusac 35:27 35:27 and uh who else Charlotte and uh then I 35:30 35:30 got a guy out in France Luke that's uh 35:33 35:33 that's been working full-time on uh on 35:35 35:35 art for these projects and we use slack 35:37 35:37 which is sort of like a web wrapper on 35:39 35:39 IRC slack.com check it out uh it's 35:43 35:43 basically IRC you you need functional 35:46 35:46 failures and and that's a positive thing 35:49 35:49 and I'm thinking about the average 35:54 35:54 um 35:56 35:56 lecture classroom where you doing test 35:59 35:59 and measurement and I'm thinking this 36:02 36:02 doesn't exactly evaluate the sort of 36:04 36:04 people that we're trying to to work with 36:09 36:09 uh so these principles uh coordination 36:13 36:13 leadership uh courses that give you 36:16 36:16 information that you need uh functional 36:20 36:20 failures calculated risks friendly 36:23 36:23 criticism yes uh seeing the results of 36:26 36:26 your decision uh 36:28 36:28 and and one of the things we put down is 36:32 36:32 uh Don't Preach to People Too Much don't 36:35 36:35 definely that is incredibly important 36:37 36:37 that is like one of my operate highest 36:39 36:39 operating goals is not to be preachy 36:42 36:42 because I hate I I don't in art I want 36:46 36:46 the truth I want not even the truth 36:48 36:48 what's the truth right I I want 36:51 36:51 something I excuse me I almost said a 36:54 36:54 bad word fudge I want something cool 36:58 36:58 make me something cool right if it's 37:00 37:00 cool I'll like it if it's good and 37:03 37:03 quality and I can see the craftsmanship 37:05 37:05 I'll like it if you're trying to just 37:07 37:07 like just like the um um 37:12 37:12 pixelated 37:14 37:14 uh you know high resolution pixelated 37:18 37:18 simulations that we get in computers and 37:21 37:21 stuff I'll see the pixels or I'll see 37:23 37:23 that you're not being you know that 37:26 37:26 you're being dishonest I just want you 37:28 37:28 to make something cool make something 37:29 37:29 from the other systems in your heart 37:31 37:31 that not just your brain move and and 37:34 37:34 associate with your friends and 37:36 37:36 relatives yes make something super cool 37:38 37:38 and don't preach and don't try and think 37:41 37:41 you figured out the world because the 37:42 37:42 world is super complicated and if you 37:45 37:45 have figured it out uh tell me because I 37:47 37:47 always like to know more things that I 37:49 37:49 don't know already more perspectives 37:55 37:55 right so 37:58 37:58 uh looking at my notes Here uh I think 38:02 38:02 one of the things that you look for is 38:05 38:05 freedom of expression yes and uh it's 38:09 38:09 dangerous to express yourself in certain 38:12 38:12 ways in this this country now and 38:13 38:13 especially in in the city um and it's 38:17 38:17 criminal what's going on it's you know 38:19 38:19 if you if you're driving right now uh at 38:22 38:22 the intersection of University in First 38:24 38:24 Street there's camera by the police 38:26 38:26 station there's cameras 38:28 38:28 recording uh their traffic stops and if 38:31 38:31 you Google the Wall Street Journal 38:32 38:32 article from a couple weeks ago it's on 38:35 38:35 my Twitter twitter.com dooom laser do o 38:38 38:38 d o m l e r I posted it a week or two 38:42 38:42 ago Wall Street Journal reports that um 38:46 38:46 you know the the Homeland Security 38:49 38:49 Department is is every state is feeding 38:52 38:52 those traffic cameras into the homeland 38:54 38:54 security department and the US is 38:56 38:56 tracking people's cars to track people's 38:59 38:59 locations and the Wall Street Journal 39:01 39:01 also reported that and this is funded by 39:04 39:04 our again tax dollars that we don't 39:06 39:06 choose to pay like you have when you 39:09 39:09 start making money you have to pay those 39:11 39:11 tax dollars and you know I was just you 39:13 39:13 know I have my own you know I was making 39:17 39:17 money directly I self-employed so I had 39:19 39:19 to pay all the taxes so I really do care 39:21 39:21 about like you know I didn't just pay 39:23 39:23 half of the Social Security that 39:25 39:25 employees pay I paid the full thing for 39:26 39:26 myself I paid payroll tax for myself and 39:29 39:29 even though that costs so much I want to 39:31 39:31 expand Social Security to everyone but 39:34 39:34 you know those those taxes are going to 39:37 39:37 as Eisenhower said the 39:39 39:39 military-industrial complex and it's 39:40 39:40 having a huge effect the the money is 39:43 39:43 causing us to be spending a large chunk 39:46 39:46 of the resources on the planet on 39:48 39:48 building weapons and tracking systems 39:50 39:50 and drones and monitoring systems and uh 39:54 39:54 and we just need to readjust the uh we 39:58 39:58 just need to tune down a little bit of 39:60 39:60 that money and tune up some of the money 40:01 40:01 to take care of people and and animals 40:04 40:04 and yeah and um the just Google it 40:09 40:09 Google it The Wall Street Journal uh 40:12 40:12 drones no not drone oh yeah we're also 40:15 40:15 building drones to fly over the the US 40:18 40:18 cities in the US with fake cell phone um 40:22 40:22 Towers on them or uh receivers on them 40:26 40:26 that you know when you move 40:28 40:28 around in your day-to-day you connect to 40:30 40:30 different cell phone towers that's how 40:32 40:32 cell phones work they're radio 40:33 40:33 transmitters and receivers and the 40:36 40:36 government builds ones that can fly over 40:38 40:38 so your every phone in the area connects 40:40 40:40 to them for a moment so they can track 40:42 40:42 people's position down to you know 40:44 40:44 several meters um and that and there's 40:49 40:49 secret about it 40:51 40:51 and that's our money that's the money 40:53 40:53 that everyone is obligated to pay into 40:55 40:55 and they're not even telling us that 40:56 40:56 that's what they're doing and they want 40:58 40:58 to do it 40:59 40:59 for the rest of the planet as well and I 41:02 41:02 have a big problem with that 41:05 41:05 like if you're going to do it do it 41:07 41:07 cheap and do it out in the open if 41:11 41:11 you're going to do it the way we're 41:12 41:12 doing it now it's going to breathe 41:14 41:14 descent and you can't control the World 41:17 41:17 by trying to clinch an iron fist like 41:18 41:18 that it will slip through your 41:20 41:20 fingers so there some concern that the 41:25 41:25 uh United Nations 41:29 41:29 at the United Nation uh level you 41:33 41:33 have Prime laws which say we should have 41:38 41:38 self-determination we should have 41:40 41:40 Liberty yeah we should have access to 41:43 41:43 law yes we should have freedom of 41:45 41:45 movement yes freedom of thought yes 41:48 41:48 freedom of religion yes and what about 41:50 41:50 these supermax prisons that are located 41:52 41:52 far away from any City so it's even hard 41:55 41:55 for the families to get to the and and 41:57 41:57 we're locking humans not animals we're 41:59 41:59 locking uh people like me that weren't 42:02 42:02 born with the privilege of the family 42:04 42:04 that I that I had and they get in 42:07 42:07 trouble with this this this the society 42:10 42:10 that we have right now and we just put 42:12 42:12 them in these these prisons and not only 42:14 42:14 that it costs a bunch of money like 42:17 42:17 prisons our prisons are important we 42:19 42:19 need them but the way things are right 42:21 42:21 now is for old people for weird people 42:25 42:25 in the US it needs work 42:28 42:28 um but thankfully we have places like 42:30 42:30 weft where people can talk about it 42:32 42:32 still and reach reach an audience level 42:37 42:37 yes uh while you go to San Francisco to 42:40 42:40 Oakland Oakland in San Francisco it's 42:44 42:44 very close to San 42:45 42:45 Francisco it's sort of Silicon Valley 42:49 42:49 area don't get me start on that uh I'd 42:53 42:53 be going David and I are going to a 42:55 42:55 Prairie State conservation coalition 42:58 42:58 meeting and there we have to deal with 43:01 43:01 little remnants of nature that are 43:05 43:05 disappearing at a rapid rate there's 43:07 43:07 very little Prairie left uh and Illinois 43:12 43:12 has like 13 ecosystems and they're all 43:15 43:15 being challenged yes uh so we do have 43:18 43:18 computer people who are documenting 43:20 43:20 those areas we uh do have people who are 43:25 43:25 doing something like us videotaping 43:28 43:28 those areas so that you can get access 43:31 43:31 to that information that's very 43:34 43:34 pragmatic from your point of view but we 43:36 43:36 need that sort of level people where do 43:38 43:38 we find those people are they uh taught 43:42 43:42 at the University or are they taught at 43:45 43:45 the community college is this the 43:48 43:48 applied sides of what you talking about 43:51 43:51 how do we encourage the we folk little 43:54 43:54 folk it's a good question um Dave 44:02 44:02 uh the problem is people have people get 44:06 44:06 distorted by especially when you're 44:07 44:07 living in this system you know people 44:10 44:10 get concerned let's let's make sure I 44:11 44:11 get money right and so I I don't know 44:15 44:15 you were saying how do you find the 44:16 44:16 right people to provide leadership to 44:20 44:20 help out conservation yeah I need the 44:23 44:23 person who's going to uh work on the 44:26 44:26 railroad or well that's why I'm saying 44:28 44:28 like I I hope that the young people that 44:31 44:31 are growing up now I hope for me I want 44:33 44:33 to be a role 44:35 44:35 model um or I want to build the 44:38 44:38 Prototype uh as uh Andre 3000 would say 44:42 44:42 um uh of of a of a business that is 44:46 44:46 mostly a nonprofit but still has a 44:49 44:49 dragon head of capital capitalism in the 44:53 44:53 top 44:54 44:54 20% let me jump in really quick here 44:56 44:56 we're down to the last five minutes of 44:58 44:58 the show um and we're going to have to 44:60 44:60 reintroduce Our Guest pretty soon here 45:01 45:01 but um you brought up an interesting 45:03 45:03 question how do you get the we folk 45:05 45:05 little folk on the right track one given 45:08 45:08 that your propensity for using computers 45:09 45:09 the easy thing computers will be 45:11 45:11 wonderful are there any things that 45:13 45:13 don't involve technology digital divide 45:15 45:15 and and and all that that you could see 45:18 45:18 still having potential today to help the 45:20 45:20 we I took iido as a kid over in Urbana 45:24 45:24 uh which was inspiring I read up on all 45:26 45:26 the major religions I read all you know 45:28 45:28 it's education but not just Western 45:31 45:31 education you need to look at what's 45:32 45:32 going on on the whole planet and 45:34 45:34 eventually uh if and when we encounter 45:37 45:37 other societies when we start traveling 45:40 45:40 you know outside our solar system which 45:42 45:42 is totally possible even with the the 45:44 45:44 engineering we have now it's criminal 45:47 45:47 that we're spending so much on weapons 45:48 45:48 to fight each other when we could unite 45:50 45:50 the planet and start start traveling and 45:53 45:53 seeing what's out there right um at 45:56 45:56 least Elon Musk uh has the right idea 45:59 45:59 and and he loves video games and is out 46:01 46:01 in San Francisco so you know I just keep 46:03 46:03 making video games and uh hopefully get 46:07 46:07 an introduction at some party games uh 46:11 46:11 yeah well I mean yeah I mean people do 46:14 46:14 everything in Minecraft right and that's 46:17 46:17 one of the the the cool things about 46:19 46:19 Minecraft um oh yeah did you want to 46:21 46:21 introduce me again 46:23 46:23 yeah okay this is Mark Johns he's got a 46:27 46:27 background in in Hightech yes 46:31 46:31 and you probably know his sister Megan 46:34 46:34 who's a musician locally and uh uh 46:39 46:39 so he's been around in this town and and 46:43 46:43 he has relatives in the west coast uh so 46:46 46:46 he moves around uh and we're very glad 46:50 46:50 to have him to come and and talk to us 46:53 46:53 about these I'm glad to be here W or 46:56 46:56 weft in General and Dave and all of you 46:59 46:59 I love weft I I I love weft so much so I 47:03 47:03 remember old I would drive around with 47:07 47:07 with my friends in high school you know 47:08 47:08 in my first car um and we'd be driving 47:11 47:11 around an Oldtimer would come on and he 47:13 47:13 would be doing a show like right there 47:15 47:15 where you're sitting right and then we 47:17 47:17 would come to weft and we we like come 47:19 47:19 in and be like Oldtimer and like like 47:22 47:22 give him a hug and stuff and it was a 47:24 47:24 beautiful beautiful thing 8 record in 47:27 47:27 those days and he did get B biodiverse I 47:31 47:31 just picked up a a pen that that he 47:34 47:34 would inspire people with oh he's a very 47:37 47:37 inspiring dude yeah yeah Oldtimer man 47:41 47:41 and uh so at that level sure how do we 47:45 47:45 do it is is is our question you just got 47:47 47:47 to find it's it's sort of like uh if 47:49 47:49 you've ever read you know um 47:54 47:54 uh like The Once and Future King right 47:57 47:57 the leader of sort of emerges because it 48:01 48:01 it's it's an emerging thing like it the 48:03 48:03 the leaders sort of emerg the the one 48:05 48:05 that should be leading sort of moves to 48:09 48:09 the front of the V of the the the birds 48:12 48:12 flying yes and right now the problem 48:15 48:15 is I it feels like people that would 48:18 48:18 emerge as leaders are being stamped down 48:20 48:20 by 48:21 48:21 vultures um that just want the money um 48:25 48:25 but but I'm not sure I I could be go off 48:27 48:27 let me say that there's a video side to 48:31 48:31 this W has a radio side but there's a 48:33 48:33 video side your mother takes itless 48:36 48:36 photographs so yeah I love my mom too of 48:39 48:39 course so she made she made me bring 48:42 48:42 this into to video her iPhone 6 Plus 48:44 48:44 that I've been helping her first 48:45 48:45 smartphone but she didn't tell me the 48:46 48:46 passcode so I'm recording I'm recording 48:49 48:49 with my my iPhone um well I I think we 48:53 48:53 we're getting near to the end oh yeah I 48:55 48:55 was going to it was going to talk about 48:57 48:57 how Minecraft well I really know how the 48:59 48:59 video game how video game should work 49:02 49:02 but maybe I'll make it a a GDC talk my 49:04 49:04 next GDC talk and and West we should we 49:07 49:07 should talk about the community and how 49:08 49:08 to serve the underserved in this 49:12 49:12 community um best and it's very 49:15 49:15 important and uh well let's think about 49:17 49:17 other continents too other continents 49:20 49:20 and the animals and the slow moving 49:22 49:22 plants that are being being slowly 49:24 49:24 eradicated let's save them right this 49:27 49:27 has been Dave monk your PR monk WFT 49:30 49:30 champagne my guest is uh Mark Johns 49:35 49:35 and and uh oh and Dave on the board I'm 49:39 49:39 sorry pushing all these buttons over 49:40 49:40 here forgot who I am here Mark since we 49:42 49:42 don't have time to get into all of your 49:44 49:44 stuff what is the place where people can 49:46 49:46 read the most of your stuff do you have 49:47 49:47 a Blog do you put things on your 49:48 49:48 Facebook page uh the Twitter twitter.com 49:51 49:51 Doom laser it's d o d o m like the game 49:55 49:55 l a s e r 49:58 49:58 uh or Twitter uh or SnapChat uh Snapchat 50:02 50:02 Doom laser uh I do about 10 or 20 snaps 50:04 50:04 a day I try and make him real weird like 50:06 50:06 a David Lynch thing um and if you go to 50:08 50:08 Doom laser.com there's a bunch of 50:10 50:10 YouTube videos uh that other people have 50:13 50:13 uploaded of of my work and the work work 50:16 50:16 I've collaborated on like Hunger Games 50:18 50:18 game when the movie came out etc etc 50:20 50:20 okay you go to the very very bottom 50:22 50:22 click the crunch base link and you'll 50:24 50:24 see all the media interviews that I ever 50:27 50:27 had pretty much going back about 15 50:29 50:29 years all 50:34 50:34 right right music of India as he's 50:36 50:36 saying comes up next couple of things 50:38 50:38 here the views and opinions expressed 50:39 50:39 here are those of the speakers anything 50:41 50:41 anybody said here it was their own 50:43 50:43 thoughts and uh nobody else's um two 50:46 50:46 really quick things on the subject of 50:47 50:47 just about everything that we've been 50:48 50:48 talking about here a while back in 50:50 50:50 England there was a fellow by the name 50:51 50:51 of Ellen touring he came up with a lot 50:53 50:53 of these ideas and if you were 50:55 50:55 interested at all in in how in a pioneer 50:58 50:58 of computers and all the ideas why they 50:60 50:60 are binary and things like that there's 51:01 51:01 a movie out I think you can possibly 51:03 51:03 still see it in theaters it's called the 51:05 51:05 imitation game and if you want to get 51:07 51:07 even deeper into it there's a 700 plus 51:09 51:09 page bordering on 800 page book that the 51:12 51:12 movie Imitation game was based on you 51:14 51:14 can find the book alen touring the 51:16 51:16 Enigma and it there are so many things 51:18 51:18 that we take for granted around us that 51:21 51:21 um that Ellen touring foresaw and in 51:23 51:23 many cases was one of the Pioneers in 51:25 51:25 getting them begun one last thought I 51:28 51:28 almost had pises I almost had pipes 51:29 51:29 freeze because of the really cold spell 51:31 51:31 that we had a little while ago so I 51:33 51:33 thought I would mention we've got two 51:34 51:34 nights coming up of subzero temperatures 51:37 51:37 keep an eye on your water pipes do the 51:39 51:39 slow trickle thing so that the the water 51:41 51:41 keeps going very slowly put extra 51:42 51:42 insulation on them do whatever you can 51:44 51:44 wow we're almost 2 minutes into overtime 51:46 51:46 here so it's time for for me to shut up 51:48 51:48 and again this is WFT champagne 90.1 FM